Cheryl Bedford: Holding Hollywood’s Feet to the Fire
Episode Description:
Cheryl Bedford is a NAACP Image Award Nominee for “Dark Girls” and Baltimore native who holds a BFA from NYU’s TSOA and MFA in Producing from AFI. As a production manager, line producer, and producer, Cheryl has worked on countless film/tv/digital projects, including 17 Independent Features. She was the first Chair of Diversity Development and a Producing Instructor at New York Film Academy in Los Angeles, California. She formed her own company, Cheryl L. Bedford Productions, in January of 2001. Ms. Bedford is the founder of Women of Color Unite (WOCU), a nonprofit whose purpose is to help women of color get hired, their projects funded and content distributed. In this episode, Cheryl talks to Anya and Fanshen about how her roots in social justice activism has influenced her career in Hollywood.
TRANSCRIPT:
Anya Adams (00:12):
Hey! Welcome back to Sista Brunch with me, Anya Adams.
Fanshen Cox (00:15):
And me, Fanshen Cox.
Anya Adams (00:17):
Sista Brunch is a podcast about black women and non-binary folks, striving and thriving in media, entertainment and the arts. And we can't wait to share more stories with you over the next few weeks.
Fanshen Cox (00:29):
Now, today's guest is a close friend. She's a close friend of mine. She's a close friend of Anya's. She's also a close friend of Sista Brunch. And, we are so excited to have her, Ms. Cheryl Bedford. Cheryl is an NAACP Image Award nominee for Dark Girls. If you have not seen that documentary, what are you doing with your life? Go see it. It's so good and important. She's also a Baltimore native, who holds a BFA from NYU's Tisch School of the Arts and an MFA in Producing from AFI. Some prestige up in here.
Fanshen Cox (01:03):
As a production manager, line producer and producer, Cheryl has worked on countless film, TV, digital projects, including 17 independent features. She was the first Chair of Diversity Development and a producing instructor at New York Film Academy in LA. She also formed her own company, Cheryl L. Bedford Productions, in January 2001. Ms. Bedford is the founder of ... I know y'all have heard of it. And every woman that listens to this podcast should be a part of this, and non-binary folks ... Women of Color Unite. WOCU, a non-profit whose purpose is to help women of color get hired, get their projects funded and get their content distributed. From the members of WOCU, Cheryl created the JTC List. The JTC List is a database of now 5,000 plus women of color, above and below the line in entertainment. The list is named her mother, Joan Theresa Curtis, an activist, a warrior and Cheryl's biggest fan, who passed away in 2016.
Anya Adams (02:12):
We are so glad to have you on, Cheryl. Your resume and your history that you are bringing to Sista Brunch is so phenomenal. I'm so excited to just dig in with you.
Fanshen Cox (02:25):
I'll just say very quickly that I was a young producer. Called myself a producer, in Los Angeles back in '01 or '02, or something like that, and I got an assistant job on a film that Cheryl was producing and I showed up in flip flops. [crosstalk 00:02:44]. She might want to share the rest.
Anya Adams (02:48):
Tell us. Do tell us.
Cheryl Bedford (02:50):
So I took her aside. I was not going to embarrass her. Here is this young sister coming on. I think it was your first production in Los Angeles? She-
Fanshen Cox (03:00):
Yeah.
Cheryl Bedford (03:00):
It was a short film, but I'd already done a whole bunch of features. But, something for a paycheck. And so, I take Fanshen aside and I very sternly, but gently, tell ... I don't know how gentle that was. I was like, "My sister, we don't wear flip flops on set. You could get hurt and then we could get sued. Like, don't ... Mm-mm (negative). Don't ever do that again. Okay?" And we've been friends ever since.
Fanshen Cox (03:28):
That's right. We sure have. And we should mention, which I love about this, is that another guest from season three was an actor in the film. Diana Elizabeth Jordan. We're going to have her on, you'll hear her story. But I just love that we are still working together. Here we are all these years later. How many years later, and here we are.
Cheryl Bedford (03:50):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Anya Adams (03:51):
That's pretty amazing. So, Cheryl, you are working on a movie. But, do you want to tell us your background, how did you get to that movie? And how did you get to where you are now?
Cheryl Bedford (04:01):
Sure. So, I always tell everybody I'm a line producer by trade, I'm an activist by DNA. So, my mother was an activist. She was also a statistician. My Aunt Mary, Mary C. Curtis, is a very well-known journalist. My Aunt Janice just finished her tenure as the President of the National Association of Black Storytellers. And my Uncle Thomas, who's a retired judge in Baltimore, Maryland, helped to pass the Americans with Disabilities Act. His youngest son, my cousin, is disabled. So, I come from a long line of activists. Actually, the very first time I marched, I was two. I was on my mama's hip and it was during the Baltimore riots. So, I combined all of that, and am the founder of, as we say, WOCU, Women of Color Unite. Actually, it's the way the bio reads, but actually the JTC List came first. And the JTC List was the ... And it was originally just a Google doc. So what happened was, in February of [crosstalk 00:05:03]
Anya Adams (05:02):
I remember that. I remember signing up on it. Yeah.
Cheryl Bedford (05:05):
Yes. So, February 2018, the actor, Kelly Perine ... He and I are very, very good friends. Kelly lent me his beautiful house in Los Feliz and I just got together all the women of color that I knew. And they could invite other women of color. So, 50 became 75. 150 women of color showed up. And I remember the exact number, 93 signed up. Everybody else would've, but Teresa Jusino was the one signing people up. She was like, "Can I eat?" I just wanted to get us all in the same space. And everybody there, the valets were women of color, the caterer was a woman of color, the sommelier was a black woman. I just got everybody in the same space and used my tax return to pay for it. Teresa Jusino also, at the time, was writing for The Mary Sue and she wrote about it. And she said, "Something happened in that room. There was something. It literally was a moment that became a movement."
Cheryl Bedford (06:13):
And so, that event went really, really well. It went so well, everybody was like, "We have to do it again. We have to do it again." And, at the time, I was working on AwesomenessTV, and they had this big, beautiful building in Santa Monica and they lent it to me. And so, in April, it was us and our allies, and something else happened. And it was at that moment that I realized that all the lists in Hollywood ... I'm just going to say it, are like phone books to white people. They're like, "Okay, I don't know what to do with this." Right?
Fanshen Cox (06:48):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Cheryl Bedford (06:49):
Gregory Zide, our treasurer and director of operations, he termed it exclusion by familiarity. Didn't go to school with any. Don't work near. Don't live. Don't golf. But, in that event, people got hired. And I was like, "That's it. That's it." The only way to get people [crosstalk 00:07:13]
Anya Adams (07:11):
Girl, I was at that event. That was amazing.
Fanshen Cox (07:13):
I love it!
Cheryl Bedford (07:14):
And their content distributor was to get those in the same room.
Anya Adams (07:20):
Yeah.
Fanshen Cox (07:21):
Yeah.
Cheryl Bedford (07:22):
It was that moment. And so, by the end of the year ... And actually, I say the best worst advice I ever got was from Marva Smalls, the Chief Diversity Officer at Viacom. She said, "Stand on your own two feet. Come out as a ... Come out, standing on your own two feet." Nobody had really done anything like this before. I think Brown Girls Doc Mafia was about six months before us. Women of Color Filmmakers was six months behind us. But, nobody had done anything like that before. And so, she said, "Come out standing on your own two feet." That very first invitation in February 2018 said, "Women of color ... and then all caps, UNITE." That is where the name actually comes from. So that's why the JTC List is named that. And Women of Color Unite. And I say the best worst advice, because she was right, as far as like coming out, standing on our own two feet. Nobody told me that I would spend $60,000 to keep it running. Basically, WOCU ran on my five credit cards until-
Fanshen Cox (08:37):
Of your own money, let's be clear.
Cheryl Bedford (08:37):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Anya Adams (08:37):
Wow!
Fanshen Cox (08:37):
Right. Jesus!
Cheryl Bedford (08:37):
Yeah, until the pandemic.
Anya Adams (08:39):
Wow!
Cheryl Bedford (08:39):
And it was because, when we came out standing on our own two feet, there was this thing that I decided to do. And here's the funniest thing, everybody gave me pushback. Everybody gave me pushback about this. I did not want to charge the members. I didn't want to charge them for anything, because I've been in Hollywood since 1990, and all of the other ... I'm just going to say it, white female groups, like Women in Film and so forth ... And so, these are things that a lot of people can't afford. "And if women of color make so much less, why are you charging us the same fucking thing?" Oh, yeah. By the way, I curse a lot. "Why are you charging us the same fucking thing?"
Cheryl Bedford (09:19):
And so, it was really important to me to not charge them for anything, ever. And there's only one way you could do that when you're brand new and that's to pay for it yourself. So, though ... Thank you. Thank you, black Jesus. WOCU does not need my five credit cards yet, it still has not ... It hasn't made enough money to actually pay me back. I'm just glad I'm not hemorrhaging money anymore. Here's what I know. This industry should be fucking ashamed of itself, because it wasn't until the deaths of Ahmaud Arbery, George Floyd and Breonna Taylor, that all of a sudden we started getting in donations. And I asked the women of color to donate what they can, when they can. But we make so much less, so it was not self-sustaining. But after that, then we started getting in large donations, just from individuals, from a few companies, I'm not even going to say. The studios. The studios have come in, and production companies, when we have events. But even those, there was never enough money. It still came out of my pocket. Right? Like, the Auntie Brun of Fanshen was there.
Cheryl Bedford (10:34):
All of those, the gala, all of that? We never got in enough money to pay for it. The majority of it always ended up, I'd say half, a quarter to a half, still ended up on my credit card, which is why, Fanshen, I remember the Auntie Brun. She's like, "Oh, my God! This is fantastic. Smile!" And I'm looking at her like, "I'm just fucking trying to figure out how I'm going to pay off the credit cards." And because, the worst part about paying off the credit cards was that after AwesomenessTV, I had all these jobs lined up. But, I started making a lot of noise and they systematically started going way. It was like, people wanted to talk about diversity, equity inclusion, but only up to a point. And I think they were like, "Yeah. We don't want her at our company, because she's going to hold our feet to the fire."
Anya Adams (11:34):
This is Sista brunch with Fanshen Cox and Anya Adams. Stay tuned for more of our conversation with our incredible guest, producer and activist Cheryl Bedford.
Fanshen Cox (12:01):
We're back. Check out more of our conversation on getting woke paid, with Cheryl Bedford. You've told us your origins, which is you were born to be an activist. Right? It's in your blood and it's in your family, it's in your community. And sometimes, as a friend, my heart breaks for what you go through, for being authentic and calling out. Sometimes I'm like, "Oh!" I know this industry well enough to know that some folks just run away from that.
Fanshen Cox (12:36):
But, you are responsible for so much change. And it comes both in the form of what you've done with Women Of Color Unite and the JTC List. And we should talk about, #Startwith8Hollywood also, because Brittany, one of our producers, was in #Startwith8 and I love #Startwith8. But, at the same time, in order for things to happen, we need folks to push. Right? Even though it's all going to go slowly, we need folks to push. And you are constantly in that position. I wonder if you want to talk to our listeners about how do you do that and maintain your self-care and your love and your joy? And I do get to see those things from you, too. How do you do that? So that our listeners know, and we know, how do we push and still stay alive, basically?
Anya Adams (13:25):
And, can I just add one thing to that? And also know that you will continue to work? Because you did say that those jobs are going away, but you are working.
Cheryl Bedford (13:35):
Wow! That's a lot. Okay. So, self-care. That is really tough. I have to remind myself. I do go to the gym. I take Pilates. Those are things that I do for me, so that I can get out of my own head. I have wonderful, wonderful, wonderful friends, especially black women. My best friend, [Melana Gray 00:13:58]. Of course, Fanshen. The list goes on, it really does. I have an incredible staff. I have incredible volunteers. And I know that I'm not in this fight alone, because they have my back. So, let's talk about when I was doxxed on Twitter. So, somebody doxxed me and it was actually somebody who knew that I actually get death threats. Somebody actually once sent me my address. So, I was like, "Yeah." So, now I use firms that wipe me. Wipe me off the internet, my personal information.
Cheryl Bedford (14:35):
So when I was doxxed, that was really, really hard. I'm not going to lie. My fiance called me that night ... And, I'm not going to talk about the person or whatever. I'm just going to say that they started it, Fanshen knows, and it went on for days. Now, here's what I don't do. I don't give oxygen. I just don't give oxygen. I can always count on black women. As people began to find out, they started questioning. The same person, emailed every single tweet about me. I'm not going to lie. It felt like nine days of fucking torture. By the time that person got around to doxxing me, which was the last day ... It was, I believe July 15th? July 14th?
Cheryl Bedford (15:36):
My fiance called me and he was ... He is actually moving in. But, he was on a big construction job up north, which is where he's been since the pandemic. He drove down at 4:30 in the morning. When he called me that night, he said he had never heard me cry that hard. He said, "Even when your mother died." And my mother was my best friend. And he's like, "You weren't coherent." And I wasn't, because I did not know that ... He's told me, "I told you I was going to drive down." And I was like, "I don't remember." I got a call at 4:30 in the morning with, "Baby, I am on my way."
Cheryl Bedford (16:21):
And he actually helped me move out of my house for a few days. We went to a hotel.
Fanshen Cox (16:28):
Wow!
Cheryl Bedford (16:30):
That was one of the hardest things that I have had to deal with. But, here's the thing. Again, I could count on black women. That person who did it had to actually shut down their own Twitter account for a little bit or make it private, because black women were like, "Oh, no. No. No. No. No. Let me tell you what we're not going to do." I love that.
Cheryl Bedford (16:58):
As far as work goes, no. I still don't work steady. I remember that January 2020 that I'm talking about, and later on that month all these jobs were disappearing. And I remember sitting in my car in my garage, at 53 years old ... And I'm now 55. 53 years old, crying. And I was like, "I got to call my family and borrow money." That hasn't happened to me in what, 25, 30 years. And I heard my mother in my head, because my mother was the most logical person I'd ever come across. She's like, "Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, dry your tears and just be happy you got a family who can lend you the money. It's okay. Think about what our ancestor went through. Think about what everybody else went through. Think about what I went through. Think about the fact that your grandparents ... "
Cheryl Bedford (17:52):
When my Uncle Thomas and my Uncle Tony, God rest his soul, were arrested, my grandparents put up their house, when they were arrested during the civil rights movement. She's like, "This is nothing." And sure enough, I stopped crying. I was like, "Damn! I [inaudible 00:18:08] shit." I called up my Aunt Janice. My Aunt Janice is like, "Yes. So, why are you upset? What you need?" My Aunt Mary was like, "I hear you need something. You okay?" My cousin [Cara 00:18:20] was like, "What you need?" Like, my entire family. I was like, "Oh, that. They got my back. They always got my back." So, in that moment I was like, "Oh, yeah." So, each time something happens, each time I'm like, "Ooh, is this one going to break me?" I am reminded about who has me. I am reminded who shoulders I stand on. I am reminded that in reality, though it is difficult, this is nothing compared to what our ancestors went through. So, I'm good. I'm good.
Fanshen Cox (19:01):
I know it is so incredible to watch all the women that you are responsible for nurturing. Again, like through #Startwith8, through the JTC List, women are getting hired. These women are doing well. You did an incredibly successful horror film competition and Tananarive Due was one of the judges. And this doesn't take away from the shitty fact that you are not working, because you should be. But I think being realistic about it, which is that when you are calling the industry out, they should be hiring you and saying, thank you. But instead, we should all know that that means that you will be limited in that. But, the treasures you get from the incredible success that you are part of and all of these women ... I know that's at least part of the reward for doing the work.
Anya Adams (20:00):
Yeah, you're right. What you're saying is, Cheryl, it takes balls, balls-
Fanshen Cox (20:07):
For real.
Anya Adams (20:07):
... to do what you've done. And most of us don't. And because of what happens, because this industry is very much like a high school.
Cheryl Bedford (20:17):
Here's what I'm going to say. Yeah. Is it very much like high school? Yes, it is. But, how can I put this? First of all, yes. The reason I do it, I could read you Diana Romero's post, which would explain why I do it. And, she is a woman of color with disabilities and she posted something on Facebook that happened through #Startwith8. It's the reason I do it. It's hope. So, let me explain. #Startwith8 was a Twitter movement that we turned into an actual program. Shout out to Manon de Reeper. It is her secret-sauce forms that our mentees and our mentors fill out. And then she and Jasmine Green currently are the ones who match everybody. We've had additional volunteers for it, for #Startwith8, but it really is Manon de Reeper. I call her my co-founder. So, we've done three rounds in Hollywood, one round in the UK, one round in Canada and gotten almost 2,000 women of color in three countries, mentors, which have led to people getting hired, projects getting funded, content getting distributed.
Cheryl Bedford (21:30):
And the funny thing is, I'm trying to think of the money that has been specifically donated for that program. I'd say, roughly, it's between 25K to 40K, maybe. Like, Gregory would have to do the amount for all of that work. And, if you think about the fact that we did it in 18 months. In 18 months. Here's why I think it's easy for me to call stuff out, because it's a lie. It's a lie. So, Fanshen knows this. I am not a fan of diversity programs. I'm just not. Because, it's like, "Let's have 5,000 people." 5,000 marginalized people fight to the death for 25 spots in this program, that program. I have a friend of mine Ka'ramuu Kush, who's done them all, still can't get work. Let's be very, very clear. It wasn't until after the rebellion that all of a sudden they were like, "Oh, yeah. We should probably help people get hired." Like, that was when you decided?"
Cheryl Bedford (22:41):
That was the moment you decided. And, these programs have been around 30, 40 years. So, here's why it's easy, because the entire lie of meritocracy is ... I mean the entire idea of meritocracy is a big, fat lie, because if that were true, I would literally have all of Viacom's diversity money, all of WarnerMedia's diversity money. Because, here's the thing. I win. I win. WOCU wins. 2000 women of color in 18 ... I win. So, here's the thing. I want all your money. Quit your jobs.
Anya Adams (23:18):
I also feel like what you're saying about these diversity programs in a more minor, specific area for directors. The whole idea of ... We've talked about this a little bit before Fanshen, but I think it really feeds into what you're saying, Cheryl, is that, the idea that, "Come and shadow us." This thing where I'm like, "I'm going to give you this opportunity to watch me work." We don't need that. We don't need the opportunity to watch anyone work, because we know how to do the work. It's exactly the same thing. It's like, "Give me your money."
Cheryl Bedford (23:49):
Yeah. Context is everything. So, part of the problem is that nobody ever really talked about the studies. So, if you look at Annenburg, UCLA, San Diego State, USC. If you look at all of these studies, what are those studies based on? 200 films. What do they all have in common? They're union. It is not a pipeline problem. And the next person who tells me it is a pipeline problem, I'm literally going to scream. It is not a pipeline problem, it is a hire-my-black-ass problem. It is the fact that only 10% of women of color working in entertainment belong to a union, a guild or a trade organization. Why? Because you have kept us out, because of the fees. You have pushed us to the margins. It is not a fucking pipeline problem. It isn't. It is a hire-my-black-ass problem.
Cheryl Bedford (24:37):
It is the fact that we know that intersection of racism and the power of whiteness ... Because, we don't call it "white privilege," because it's privilege to be raised by a black woman. Yes. The very first thing is perfectionism. I don't have to be perfect. I am a fully formed human being. I am not perfect all the time. Stop asking me. Because, the damage that is done to our mental health is staggering. So, yeah. I'm calling you all out. All of you heads of diversity, equity and inclusion, I am calling you out.
Fanshen Cox (25:16):
Hey it's Fanshen and you're listening to Sista Brunch. We'll be right back. And if you haven't already, go ahead and follow us on Twitter @SistaBrunch, Instagram @sistabrunchpodcast. And we're on Facebook too, at facebook.com/sistabrunchpodcast. Leave us a comment, slide on our DMS, share your news with us. We want to celebrate your hard work with you.
Fanshen Cox (25:41):
We are coming to a close on this and we can, of course, go forever with you, Cheryl and what you do. Again, we're so grateful for your work and for being that voice that discomforts others as needs to be. We often ask our guests about salary, because we really want to encourage open conversation about salary, so that we know what we can ask for. And I know we've all said right now we got to get hired. Right? But I wondered if you have, let's say, advice for our listeners or anything around what to do to get the salary that you deserve, once you do get hired? Or as you're negotiating it?
Cheryl Bedford (26:19):
Mm (affirmative). I'm going to take this in a slightly different direction. I'm going to say, green light yourself. So, what happened was, and Fanshen knows this. I interviewed for a whole bunch of jobs. I couldn't get a line producer job, because of ageism. And then, the EIC and VP job, because I had never held those titles before, even though I'm just like all the other, especially black women I know, who are line producers who hit that ceiling. We've trained a whole bunch of people who are now EICs and VPs, but we ourselves had never held that title. Well, Women Of Color Unite is unique in the way that we wrote ... Again, shout out to Gregory Zide, when we wrote the mission statement.
Cheryl Bedford (27:06):
So, WOCU is a fully functioning nonprofit production company. They don't tend to have them in the United State, they're only a handful because there's no funding from the government. But, they do have them in other countries that are funding it, like the UK, like Canada, like Australia. But, we turned Women Of Color Unite into a fully functioning nonprofit production company. So, after that happened to me, I decided that wasn't going to happen to the other women of color that I knew, especially black women. So, on our last team meeting, not only is the paperwork done, I am now Cheryl L. Bedford, President of WOCU Production. I gave myself the title, because here's what I know. I'm smarter than the rest of them. Always have been, always will be. So, I just gave myself the title. And now Manon de Reeper is VP of development. Jazmine Nichelle is VP of production, because here's what's not going to happen. They're not going to go through the same thing that I just went through. I'll be goddamned.
Cheryl Bedford (28:15):
So, we have a slate of projects. I'm a producer. Because of #Startwith8, I got everybody's emails. And considering all the content that we do is normally focused on an "ism" in some way, shape and or form. Right? It fits our entire mission statement. So, "Here's the thing, Hollywood. I'm calling here, because the content is really, really good. I'm not going to lie. It's really good. Come fund it, come distribute it. I'm going to be calling and I'm going to be holding your feet to the fire." And yes, I am now, President of WOCU Productions. And, [crosstalk 00:28:50] my millennials, they now have the VP titles. They are doing the actual jobs. We got heads of production, we got the directors of development, all of that. Because again, let me tell you what we're not going to do. We're not going to have the same shit that just happened to me, happen to them.
Cheryl Bedford (29:13):
So, here's what I'm going to tell people. More so than even necessarily getting the salary you deserve, it's the title, the salary, all of that. Green light yourself. Give yourself the title. Don't necessarily wait [crosstalk 00:29:30]
Anya Adams (29:29):
I love that.
Cheryl Bedford (29:30):
... other people to do it. And, that's what I just did. So, yeah. So, I'm announcing it here.
Fanshen Cox (29:36):
Love it.
Cheryl Bedford (29:37):
WOCU Productions. We're actually going to do a press release. I don't know where it is. And here's the last thing that I'm going to say. My bio now says "5,000 women of color," because we just hit 5,000 members. So, yeah. I'm just going to keep doing it. I'm not going anywhere. I've been in this town for 30 years. Nobody ever deemed me worthy. I was female, I was young, black, dark skinned, fat. Nobody ever deemed me worthy. And here's the thing, I'm still here. So, here's what I'm going to say to all those people that I met on the way up, who are VPs and stuff, who now I have to talk to. Well, they actually have to talk to me. "How do you like me now?"
Anya Adams (30:21):
Shit! [crosstalk 00:30:22] ... mic drop music.
Fanshen Cox (30:22):
I was going to say, I know what the headline will be for this episode, "How You Like Me Now?"
Cheryl Bedford (30:30):
How do you like me now?
Fanshen Cox (30:31):
[crosstalk 00:30:31] Cheryl. Thank you so much. The variety of voices we have on here is so important. The strength that you bring, that everybody on here can get called out, because you've stayed pushing. And that's what needs to happen. You do. You stay pushing. But, we wish for you all the self-care. We're excited about your upcoming marriage and knowing that you're surrounded by friends and family and that how important that is, is lovely too. So, thank you so much, Cheryl.
Anya Adams (31:04):
Yes. Thank you, Cheryl. Congratulations on crowning yourself, too. I think this is amazing!
Fanshen Cox (31:09):
Yes.
Anya Adams (31:10):
And thank you for your honesty. This episode is definitely one where there was no beating around the bush, which is appreciated. It was really great.
Cheryl Bedford (31:19):
We have always believed that Hollywood existed and the lack of transparency and the lack of accountability. So, I'm always going to be transparent. I'm always going to be accountable. And I'm going to demand the same from Hollywood. So, that's it. I want to thank you Anya. It's wonderful. We haven't been in the same space in a long time together. And Fanshen, you my girl. You my sister. So, I love you both.
Fanshen Cox (31:44):
We love you!
Anya Adams (31:45):
We love you, Cheryl. Thank you. Thank you so much for listening to Sista Brunch with me Anya Adams and Fanshen Cox. That was our conversation with Cheryl Bedford.
Fanshen Cox (32:01):
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